Ep 107: Three Tips for Songwriting Progress

You know that putting in the work is important but what does that really mean for your life? Mike Meiers and guest Heather Taylor team up to give you a simple three things to fall back on when you're feeling lost in the process. 

What’s overwhelm, tiredness, or feeling unfulfilled telling you? It might be different than you think!

Creating big songwriting goals for yourself also means that you also need to make some mindset goals and changes to the way you look at your schedule.

Tune in for the three tips on progressing towards songwriting wins- at any point in your journey.

 

Transcript:

Hey, I'm Mike Myers and this is the song rank for guitar podcast which is geared to support songwriters and producers to gain confidence and turn pro. I bring on industry experts to help you improve and monetize your skills, Engage better in the writing process, and build healthy habits to create a sustainable career. You love caffeinated, inspirational, conversational.
The pollen in the air today is on high so if I sneeze during this episode, please excuse me in advance. We
can edit it, or keep it in for authenticity. Keep it in I'm all about being authentic. All these podcasts editing the sneezes you know that there's way more sneezes in these podcasts for authentic sneezes, not placed sneezes.
I know more people have allergies in this well, we
are going to talk about some amazing things other amazing things, some
amazing things because these things can really get you your desired outcome. And
we've we've just come off of the streak of do the work. So if you're listening to this episode, hopefully you've listened to the first two episodes that I did with Josh about do the work. Okay, it's great to understand I need to do the work. But how the hell do I? What do I do to make this happen? And how do I know that I'm putting in the work? What What steps should I be taking? We're going to go through these and we're going to explain why these are important.
Yes, and we're going to keep it simple today. Because a lot of the time when you're not doing the work, it's because you're pretty overwhelmed. And there's a lot of people telling you have to do a lot of different things. And I'm sorry, a lot of people are telling you to do the wrong thing. So we're just going to keep it, we're gonna keep it to three things.
I like that little side note. And it's true, because there's a lot of misinformation, whether well meaning or not well, meaning people kind of it looks Instagram bullet sounds great. But there's very little to back up why that matters. Or if that actually does anything, it gets attention. And then it causes people to do things out of order, or to cause things that actually don't move the needle and don't really matter. And then they get frustrated. And then they go well, I guess I can't do this, which is silly. So we're going to simplify, simplify. And the first one is actually simplifying and getting very specific. See the setup to that simplify. Look at that. And when I mean simplify, okay, so let's say you want to do some form of writing, songwriting. That's great. Do you mean for a publisher? Do you mean for an artist? Do you mean for sync, you can't do all three of those things? Well, at the same time, you're gonna have to really focus in and pick a specific one that you want to get better. So let's say for the sake of this, you just want to work on your artistry. You want to develop your craft as a songwriter and your voice because you want to be the artist. Beautiful. That's amazing. Okay, so let's get even more specific. What do you mean by that? Well, I want to have an album. Okay, that's great. What do you how many songs? I'd love to have five songs. Beautiful. How many songs do you have right now? Zero. Cool. If you want to have five great songs, can we get specific and say, You're going to maybe batch 20 to 30 songs and then choose the best five? Yes. Wonderful. How many songs? Are you writing a week? I'm not writing a lot of songs a week. Cool. Can you try to write one song a week? Yes, I can. We just like whittled it down even more? What are topics you want to cover? In the songs that you write? I don't know, well, maybe we need to carve out the first week of just thinking about what are the things you want to write about and sing about that are meaningful to you. And I want you to spend every day just for 15 minutes, almost doing like a morning pages. And I want you to write out and I want you to think and I want you to allow yourself that time to get specific and be creative. And just jot all the thoughts in your head for a week. And then let's take a look and see if we can piece these together in some fashion or form of topics you can start writing about and pick one. Not all pick one, and make that the focus on so
you get simple and specific with what you're doing and what you want to do. And then I'd say I'd add to write it down. Just write it down.
I think people don't do this too, because they're worried they're going to box themselves in. Hmm. And they're what am I going to limit what the story is about? Am I going to limit what if I feel like this moment of creativity and this other thing If we all add all these addendums, or just like all these like other other things to it, it gets weighed down and never happens. And it ends up being very messy.
I think people are also scared about what if I don't do that, then I wrote it down. It's official. I'm working towards that. What if it doesn't happen?
I translate. What if it doesn't happen to what if it sucks? That's basically what I translate to. I'm like, it'll happen. You may not like it, but then write it. Okay, Brett, another one. Take that. That piece that you just wrote? And ask yourself, people always ask themselves what they like about what don't you like about it? Get specific. Don't just tell me it sucks. Tell me what you do not like, I don't like the lyrical structure. Okay, what don't you like about the lyrical structure? I feel I'm being too repetitive. Can you give me some examples of the song where you're repetitive? Yes, here, here, here. Okay, what can we do to change that? Well, I can say it here. But then when we get. And then suddenly, the thing that you thought sucked you thought through, you were able to think about a change you can make to move it in a direction that you're more excited about, or you think sucks less. And
that's the power of self reflection, self awareness, or even having a coach or a guide to help, you know, if you're not good at self reflection or awareness. You know,
I think a coach and a guide, I think early on, because we're so in our head, it's good to have someone looking in on the process purely, because you want a coach that has made enough mistakes, that they know all the stuff, like a good chunk of stumbling blocks, they can tell you so that you do not make those mistakes. And that if you do them, you were going against their advice, because you think you know better. And then you will realize, oh, they were right.
Gosh, darn it, Gosh, darn it.
I hate to swear on this podcast. Like, gosh, I know.
You know, that was the premise of do the work, the Steven Pressfield book is to not get into your head, like take action, don't listen to that resistance so much. Because if you're listening to all that, then you're not going to take action, then you're going to be stalled
out. And I think most people get stalled out before they even start. That's probably why they don't start. And then they try to regain all this like excited momentum to push themselves to get ready to get started. And then they stall themselves out again, and then they don't and that's why you meet that same person. That seems like every year they have the same kind of like the same thing that they say they're going to do. And this is the year this is this is gonna happen. And it's just like, and it never does. And it's because they're second themselves out so much
waste and all that energy, you gotta get specific,
simplify. And I think we always fight that because we think, Oh, that can't be the answer. It has to be more, we just don't like the answer. Because we don't like what it makes us do. It puts us in that spot. That's like woowoo. But once you start to realize that simplifying is your energy like that, I'm like, That's the feeling that we don't like. But once we start to embrace that, and we see, oh, that actually helps us a lot. And people actually love when we get specific that a person that you meet that you could be a potential co writer loves that. That's one of your skills is you get specific, you ask those questions, not only to yourself, but to them, which forces them to get clear on what they're trying to write. And they enjoy being around you because you're not going to let them fall through the cracks or just get away with maybe having a co write that could be a little bit more well guided and more focused. And you're not willing to let it get kind of messy and sloppy. Mm hmm.
Yeah. What are we doing with this song? Simply what are we doing with this? Where's it going at the end? What genre do we want to do?
We're laughing because it's like, oh, this totally makes sense. But it's still jaw dropping. When somebody goes Oh, that's a good question. I never thought of that. It's like what it because we just don't ask the obvious we need to and I think it also prevent us from pairing with people that may not be a good pair, and we can be mature and just be like, Hey, listen, I just don't you know, you want to write you know, country Bob. I want to write some skate rock, skate punk. We might not be a great collaboration. There we go once neither better nor greater than the other you can park amicably as they say and just move your separate ways. So I think simplification should always be at the top of your list and this is Something that you can do. In the reason we're talking about this is it's March as we're recording this, at the end of March. This is essentially, you know, or maybe around them, I think March or April is like we're getting towards the end of like the first quarter of business. And if you want to professionally song write, you know, it's good to treat, you know, each quarter is just like an evaluation, just a little metric to measure. And if you start with simplification, you'll, you'll hit the mark a lot more.
And you had a really great point. And if you're, if you know what you want to do, and your co writer knows what they want to do, and it doesn't mesh or a mash up, or line up, that goes right into that second point that do you use your time and energy wisely, the steward of time? Are you a steward of your time,
steward of your times, using it wisely? Why, yeah, so it's just like, it's a disservice to them. If they don't want to do what you do, and you don't want to do what they do. Why would you waste time trying to write a song, because neither of you are going to be happy with what you get, you could still hang out, you can still, you know me on Zoom, you can go get a coffee, or get a drink, you can hang out, I have lots of friends that I love, that we just don't, we're not in the same camp of what we want to write. Or they do a thing that I do. And it's kind of silly, if we're sitting there doing both doing the same thing. And all these other areas of the song that needed attention, no one's doing that's just like, that's awful. It's like, you know, building a house and all the contractors, you hire all painters, it's just a whole bunch of people sitting around being like, well, you know, the foundational No, I
don't know, I'm
not saying Oh, painters talk like that. All painters talk like this.
But it's also the time that you have, and I really thought a lot about this, this one element, because I think one objection I get to people, either starting songwriting, committing to it, pushing themselves is because they said don't have enough time. And it's not that they don't have enough time. They're just not using the time they currently have really well. So if you have a full time job, which I did in a past life, I did marketing, from 11am to 230 ish. And then from three until usually 9pm, it was straight teaching, straight through. Okay, so that means that the window that I had to write was either morning, very early morning, or very late in the evening. So I had to make it work. And so I had to choose the time. And usually it was late evening. And I had to really make sure that was clear on what we were going to do. Because the window I had for energy was very minimal, if that. But I paired myself through mistakes and learning. I paired myself with the right people so that when we sat down, we did get a song, and it was moving in the right direction. We felt good about it. And we knew what the next steps work because we were clear, and we are talking before we met, we're sharing ideas so that if we met very early in the morning, or late at night, we already had a plan in place. And if we had if we had references, which most of the time we did, I was listening to that on the drive to work. I was listening to that while my headphones were on. And I was doing all this marketing stuff. And like taking care of our Facebook account and meetings in between where it was just typing emails, I had my headphones in just listening to the references. If I had a couple moments between if a student didn't show up, which occasionally happened, I would pull up the reference grabbed my guitar and start playing through the like the reference and being like, Oh, just remind myself, just making sure I was super familiar. So that my role, I was clear when we sat down and I could lead it in a way that was efficient. And not like I was stumbling around in that moment. Oh, let me listen to the reference again. So that when I suddenly had more time, and I have the ability, and I was able to listen to things more at my leisure, and do it at an hour that wasn't acceptable and write songs on an acceptable hour. I was able to do it really well because I was able to do it really well in the awkward moments or those small moments of time.
And I bet you felt really good after that. Because what I didn't hear you say was if a student showed up, I would just scroll through social media. I would waste some a half hour I mean like I'm here, so I can't do anything else. You're like very resourceful. That's a great technique, it comes
down to how bad you really want to do it. And for me, I want to, you know, I enjoyed what I did for a time. But after a while it just like I could tell, I was phoning it in, and I was just getting really exhausted. And I was like, I don't want to do this. So I'm going to find every possible moment, I can utilize to advance where I want to go. I think it's so easy for us to just, we don't even realize that we pick up our phone, we look at something, and we scroll, and before we knew it, we wasted 20 minutes, 25 minutes, well, nothing really would have gotten, it's an excuse. And I'm not saying do not take care of yourself. What I found through people that have mentored me really well, and the ones that do this, they put in the hard work, which means they utilized every little bit of time they could, even if it wasn't, you know, hours upon hours, if it was two hours, they use those two hours well. So looking for time you already have so that when you get that perfect scenario, where you have so much time that you're not, you know, you're not abusing it, or just using it sloppily, I guess is a word, because, or, honestly, you won't get to that point, because you didn't use the time well, it's like you're not going to stumble into lots of time, you're just going to end up having the time you currently have because if you can't use that probably won't get out of the scenario that you're currently in. And you'll just end up stopping the the pursuit, or pursuit, as you say, and it would just be like, you just go like, well, I guess this is what I do. And then you go home and you veg and watch TV or something, which
is easy, which is so easy to do. And it's so easy to fall back into if you don't have good habits. And if you don't have time management skills, or you don't have the tools in order to actually put in the work.
And you're not around people that are doing the opposite when you're around a lot of people that just accept like, Oh, it's okay. And I'm not saying that you have to feel bad about it. But when they go like that, don't worry about just just just let's just chill today. And then chill becomes the same thing the next day. And then the next day, the next day. That's where it's like it's good to be around someone that goes like or you could, how about you just don't turn on TV? Are you going to watch anything new? Are you going to go back to the same things that you watched before? And oh, even now I got you know, there's more time available. But as you know, I don't really watch. It's rare for me to be like either I watch new show or watch it? I don't because I just don't see the benefit of it?
Well, because you're super motivated. First, you know what you want, you are super clear about where you want to go. And so when you look at that, you go okay, well, I might relax for a little bit. But then really, is that getting me any closer to my goal? No. And you surround yourself with people, like you're just saying to your point you surround yourself with people who are are motivated, have a clear goal with you, you know? Yeah.
So that's that's all I mean, that's what I currently have to say about time. I'm sure I could say more. But it's, you have time currently, whether you realize it or not, you just have to sit in and say like if I eliminated right now, scrolling. And a lot of it is, you know, sometimes Doom scrolling, sometimes whatever it is eliminated that and got rid of at least two shows a week or just a limit. What time do I have? One does work actually start? When am I actually working? And when do I have some free time in between? Is there anything I can do on the drive to listen to? Is there anything that I can, because there's actually tons of things you can be doing. But until you write it down, and until you actually like see it, you go, Oh, wow, I actually have a lot more time than I realized. If I simplify and get clear, and utilize the time that I have, you may get to what we're going to talk about which is a result. Those two things I'm very I'm 100% like confident when it comes to simplifying and being clear on the time that you have, it will get a result. Now, it may not be the perfect result you want. It may not be the thing that you've been that you really hoped for. But don't dismiss it so quickly because you can look at let's say in this case, since we're talking about songwriting, you go listen, Mike, I got clear on what I wanted to write for myself. I took that time I journaled. I then picked some topics I then wrote. I'm not at 30 songs he said 30 songs, I was able to get my Self five songs out of those five songs. There are two that I don't mind, but I'm not crazy about them. My question would be props to you for starting. Awesome. What don't you like about those two songs in particular? And what do you like about them? Because you singled them out? Well, I you'll probably start with what you don't like, I don't like the lyrics and I don't like my I feel it's too data. Okay, what can we do to change that? Is there anything that you can do right now? Or do you like the concept and some of the melody? And would it be easier to just build and start fresh? But take that same concept and that melody and build something new? Or would you rather go in and take those lyrics and rework them? I probably would like to insert your answer. The result, whether you want that exact result, or it gets you a little bit, you can still take something from it. As long as you're applying the simplification and being clear in the time, you're going to start to move closer and closer to what you want. But like all things when you get started, it's not going to be perfect. It's not even perfect when you're getting to the level that you want, of course. But can you get something from him most of the time? We can, but we're just so quick to dismiss it as well. It's not working. It's not good. He said 30 and only got five. Okay, you got five, that's not bad. Well, five is better than none. In my opinion. 30 is unrealistic. Okay, well, were you able to carve out a time weekly, where you could write maybe not every day, but every other day? Maybe every two days? I don't know. Okay, can we maybe plan your week to maybe work around that goal? Could we move some things around? Could there be two days where we just, you know, two days in your week where you just don't, you know, do any TV when you get home from work, but instead, maybe you go outside, you take a walk and then you come back in, and you listen to some references that you like, and then you maybe then get a couple ideas for, there's usually a solution. Most of the time there is a solution. And when I say most of the time 99.999% of the solute, there is a solution, it's harder to find the solution, when it's just you, you have to be extremely like motivated to figure it out. Or you could go to someone that's doing the thing that you want to do. And you can go, can you help me? Can I get you as my coach? And can you come into my world and see what I'm doing so that I can move ahead and not make some of the mistakes that you made, but also be aware of what I'm doing right now that I should fix? And what could be potential roadblocks in future? People think sometimes, well, coaching means you're going to tell me the right people? No, it's going to tell you what needs to change and what you need to be working on. And what I didn't two mistakes I made. And if you don't, if you don't do this one thing, guess what, it's going to save you a lot of pain and may actually get you ahead further.
So the question you need to keep on asking yourself is, am I seeing some progress? It's not that I totally reached my goal. And that's the end of the questioning, it's what progress have I made? Am I seeing any progress. And so then once you start making progress, then you have something to work with, but you're not gonna identify a problem. And you're not gonna identify a solution. If you haven't started with anything, you have to start recognizing the progress that you have made, because you probably have made more than you think. Because
when we're looking at it, we don't see it. We're just like, ah, you know, it's just really tough. But when you have somebody looking in, like, for instance, and accelerated, Josh, and I run this program accelerate, which is running, you know, you're writing the briefs, and every month and, and it's like seven months in, and there are some folks that are getting really good. Because they have built a system, and they have a specific time and they're in there focus on one thing and one thing only, and that's writing a great song to fit this brief, not producing it out, not trying to pitch it, just focusing on the soul, just writing that is it and getting specific on what their role is and pairing themselves. That and doing it well. are the ones that are pairing themselves wisely with the right people and CO writing monthly getting ahead faster. Yes. are the ones that are pairing themselves with CO writer getting ahead faster, especially when they implement specific feedback. Yes. Are they writing better? So it's, it's funny because some of them are like, Hey, you liked the song this month? Like you liked this? And it's like, yes, because you've been applying literally everything that we've told you. And so if you do that for seven months in a row, do you think you can get in a better spot? Yeah. Then it suddenly makes stuff, but there's so in the process, sometimes it can just be like, just doing the thing.
You don't recognize it. What was that? Josh coined that term recently? I think it was popped demist. Oh, yeah. So are you a pessimist or an optimist? And he'd rather you'd be right down the middle, you'd rather you'd be a little bit of an optimist and a little bit of a pessimist. So it's like the pessimist side of yours, like what's not working, which means that you've already been problem solving, which already means that you've already been aware of what's going on? And then an optimist is, what am I doing right? What is the progress that I'm making. So I love I love that term optimist,
you have to be because you can't live in a fantasy land that everything will be perfect, because it won't be because then you won't solve anything. That's the thing too. And the thing that you need to lean into it has to be you have to be willing to solve it. If you don't want it to be solved, and you want to hand it to you, you're not going to get anywhere. And that's usually where people drop off too, because they want to hand it to them. And when it's Well, that's not how it works. And that actually doesn't serve you because you nothing will happen. Or you'll attract a lot of people that will be like, well, could you get me that result can you help me can get and then suddenly you're like, oh, I don't know how that worked. It was just given. But I always find it interesting to people that when it comes to like CEOs, or people that start businesses that had a business and they lost, you know, whatever million, and then they made it again, because they were just like, Oh yeah, and I lost and then I started again. Now I'm not saying it's just like that's what it's like in songwriting. But I just love that concept of, yeah, it didn't work. And if it fell apart, but I'm not worried about that I can build it again, I'll just probably build it better. And I'll probably be, it'll probably last long. That's how songwriting is the one you write right now is your best song. But the best song that you you're gonna write will probably be the one tomorrow, the next day, and you'll be crazier about it. It'll be more exciting because you just keep on implementing. So we're recap,
recap, Rick Perry
is getting specific. You have to lean into getting specific. If you don't, you will be consumed by everything and you'll try to do everything and nothing will advance. You're not doing a disservice you're not limiting yourself. You're actually helping yourself get to where you want to go quicker, because you're really honing in.
So get specific, specific and simplify. Yeah, you're
simplifying. And it's just boiling down so that if somebody came to you and asked you, what are you doing right now, you could really answer in a sentence or two and not? Well, this thing and like this long paragraph, just send them listen to this. It's like fireworks. It's so it's like, so you're not doing, you're not really doing anything specific or moving towards what you want.
You're just keeping busy. Just
yeah, I hate that phrase. Busy. I'm so busy. No, no, no, no. Okay, so let's move on to time management stewards of time, steward of time to do it of your time. And look for the time that you already have. I think for a lot of people, they're probably not in a place yet where they can go quit their job. The question that I want to ask is, from the time that you currently do have, what can you devote to your writing and your process to the thing that you're getting very specific and boiling down? And you're simplifying, simplifying, simplify? What can we do with the time that you have to make it work to move closer and closer to what you want to see happen? Is there anything you can do? Because most likely there is. And if you start implementing that, you're also going to feel good, I don't think we mentioned that too. When you start dedicating just a little bit of that time, you feel really excited because you're like, yeah, it was 20 minutes, but I got a good course.
Yes, it feels so much better to do that and get something done rather than just like scrolling and consuming content or just wandering around
because we don't feel good. We're just I feel tired. Or it's just like we're looking at other people. They're like, they're gonna write right now.
Oh, that looks the worst. Was it just released single they're really good. They were they go to a place that's really good.
At so we just rabbit hole. Yeah. And meanwhile, they probably post it but then they moved on to do the other thing. Because what's not Instagram boy is them in between the thing doing the work late at night, and they they're not they're in their Jammie jams, but they're still doing the work because they know once they're done, they're gonna be exhausted. They're gonna go to bed. That's not Instagrammable so you caught them on a grammar bowl moment. There's lots of ungrammatical.
I like the lingo a gram of a moment. Instagrammable
moment, I'm trying to like trademark that it's grammar moment. And there's a lot of stuff that isn't because it's just work. And but that's the importance of looking in on the time that you have. And I always say, when someone goes, I don't have time. None, no, we sit down, we look. And I'm like, see, there's like five pockets of time you could be utilizing right now. So looking for that time. And then finally, the result, are you getting a result? Are you moving slowly, because it probably won't be slowly at first in the direction of what you want. Because most likely you are, it may not be the perfect result. But there's absolutely something you can take away to help improve. So that as you continue to get specific and simplify, and you are using your time wisely, your results get better and better. It's I can say that with certainty, because the productions I built out at the beginning were awful. They were terrible, because I was trying to do everything in so many different genres. But once I simplified and got specific and use my time, well to focus in, I was able to dial in instrumentation a lot better, I was able to build out arrangements a lot better. And suddenly, it got to a level where it was able to pass on to a mixer. And then he could mix it and he didn't have to add extra stuff to like amp it up. But that was after refining. And you know, looking in and looking at the result, am I happy? You're not I probably need to get less busy in this. Okay, there we go. I probably need to add more layers, I probably need to, I could look and know what area needed fixing. So the results still gave me something that I could use, whether it be eventually patchable. Or I could use it to improve what I was doing to make it better. Yep. It's so important, because I think everybody wants to make it more complicated. Because if they make it complicated, they won't feel so bad if they don't have the time to do it.
Yeah, and if they don't reach that's such a good point. If you don't, if you make it so complex, and so out of the realm of possibility for you. It's like easy just to say, Oh, well, you know, I didn't do it. Because it's you know, it's just like too hard.
Once I have more time. Once I have more once I have once I have, and then I'm like, oh, then it won't, because you never will. The lottery and magically Yep. But even then you will know how to use it because you still have, you didn't even know what to do with the small little amount that you had. And that sucks. But that's kind of that's how it goes.
So you need a little bravery. A little bit of bravery to be like, You know what, maybe I am complicating this. What do I actually need to do? Who do I actually need to reach out to do I need to put myself out there?
This is a wholehearted? Yes.
Yes, this is a coming to the realization though, you know, it's it's what do you do really want to do this? Are you motivated to do this? Is this exciting to you? Are you willing to put in the work? And what does that take? isn't that complicated? Or do you just really need to do a few things and just get your butt moving.
And this is what I wanted to say to the group that may be listening to go, almost that realization moment of I've been wasting my time. Do not look at what you've wasted. Just realize that you have the epiphany and like, oh, I need to start doing this do not reflect on? Well, here's all this time I wasted.
And bam, that's progress in itself. Exactly.
One thing that I'm aware of, because I saw that so much when teaching guitar, I would have a ton of people that on the outside had very successful corporate jobs that were doing very well that had corporate cars that were living in really good places. And their story would talk about, I started to do this thing, and I stopped and I need to start the skin and they're in their mid, you know, kind of that mid life of I wonder what would have happened if I had start and it was like, Oh, wow. And sounds terrible. It is. I'm not saying feel bad. And look at all these people that have you know, successful corporate jobs that hate their life. But if you want to entertain the idea of doing this for a living, and seeing where it goes, you have to start and build a system. And if you can start with these three things, you have the best chance of getting there. Do it now.
Do it now.
You have to start doing this now and actually make the commitment to it. Because if you don't you never will and then I hate to think about people that towards the end go like, man, what are what would have happened? Had I just done XYZ or you know, because you're not, I'm not going to sit there at the end of my life and be a man. I watched all the seasons of Gilmore Girls several times. When a memorable, memorable seat, I don't even I just pulled that out. I've never watched an episode, but I know there's a lot. There's any episodes, that's good. You're like you're missing. And this is where
my stuff watch that all the time in high school.
But you get the idea where I'm like, there's, there's, I'm not saying that you can't always watch but is that the best use especially if you have that like you want to and your time is limited and you feel like you're spinning your wheels. If you start with the two things, you will get the result that we're seeing a result that you can start to utilize and move in a direction just keep on propelling you forward. It does it is very much like a snowball effect where it keeps on propelling and then it's awesome. I don't know then you suddenly are like oh wow, I get to do this a little bit more. And for me it was the cutback I was able to cut back what I was doing a little bit little bit, little bit little bit little bit and then eventually take that jump of like cool. I can do this on full time so I'm gone. And no more kids sneezing on keyboards
No more No Well, circle. They had allergies Mike, it's not their fault.
So you know, there were some kids that did year have year round perpetual allergies and just just sneezing on keyboards, or I think the best was one coughed in my face. Oh, no, I remember Reese, I was showing him a cord and it was like you put your fingers. And I was just like, I was like I tasted that cough. I knew and I am. I know have whatever you have so. So getting insight in this podcast on three things, and also to why I was sick all the time.
And just use those motivations, those little things that you just can't stay on about where you are right now. Just put it into more reason to get motivated and excited about where you're going find
a friend and have them cough in your face and you go like I'm not taking it anymore.
You're coughing in my face once a week until I reached my goal.
You know, okay, so and on this this is it. That sounds like a like a old story. One of my favorite stories. I think it's like I know.
Yes, it is.
I forget what ancient story this is. But it's man, he was walking through the forest he gets lost. And eventually it's late at night and he finds his way towards kind of like a military poster station. And then a soldier goes Hey, who are you and what are you doing here? And then the guy looks up goes What did you say? And then then the guy from the seat shower goes, who are you and what are you doing? And then he looks up and he goes how much are they paying you? soldier goes he says is right and he goes okay cool. I will pay you that every day if you ask me those two questions.
Uh huh. So yes, there we go.
And love it and love it goes back to implementation
kind of facility but boom, so
listen, are you got this? You want to do this otherwise you wouldn't be making it to the end of this podcast and if you have a goal
Exactly. And if you're looking for resources, go go to songwriting for guitar.com Song critique song critique, just click that little button, book yourself a song critique or if you're someone that's like listen, I want a little bit more. I want some more. Just go to songwriting for guitar click coaching. You can scroll all the way down you can book a session with Heather for implementation, you can start to implement things if you want to get into advanced production you can you know fill out my coaching application there's a waitlist but I go through it we book call we talk and we get to know more of you. Maybe you want to hook up with Josh and sync maybe you want to learn from Linnaean toppling maybe you want to learn from Madeline in da there's tons of things at your fingertips. We've got an awesome writer, but you got to go to songwriting for guitar.com first to make it happen. So, Heather, thank you for joining on this episode. This was good. You
are welcome. Thanks for having me.